Lucifer is the devil, no duh, in the end of days/armaggeddon he is sent to hell banished for eternity as the story goes in the old testament.

Lucifer is to be punished in hell then destroyed, well so much for eternity. I guess god was just trying to get the devil’s hopes up. Anyway, the devil/Lucifer is to be punished, tormented, and destroyed by the destroyerer or Death also referred to as Satan. My point is this: why the hell do so many “christians” call Lucifer Satan and vice versa. The devil has to be screwing with them because there’s no way in hell that god would be so inbred as to send Lucifer off to hell to punish himself. I can see priests smacking themselves with rosary beads right now.

I guess god’s “cross” eyed (get it — cross, nevermind), has short stubby fingers, and one big tooth. People really ought to find a damn hobby.

Christians should give in and go see a movie on sundays, something that isn’t porno — and check that sacriment for lead or arsenic cause I’m thinking the wine is tainted.

If there is a god albeit, it is obviously an idiot for creating man, wouldn’t it be able to create creatures capable of evolution.

Darwin is right about evolution but, man was probably created.

The chicken came before the egg too, what the hell laid the egg otherwise.

If a glass is half way topped off with water is it half empty or half full. The answer is people are full of shit. The glass is totally full, half with water and the other half that of air — god that was so easy!

Alternate dimensions really exist but, sadly they reside in the imaginations of idiots with nothing really interesting to say.

Can you bend time and space, only if your believe real hard. NOW FOCUS dammit — focus.

Wow that rant felt really good. I feel clean inside now!

Thank you everyone.

It clearly stated that man was created in the image of god and was god’s children with no less aptitude than an angel but, somehow Jesus became the only child of god. These are not the contradictions but, the evidence that Christ died for sins that are akin to evil men believing themselves to be heir to a throne more high than any other. The bible clearly warns against this.

Another good point to ponder is that the bible itself was a good book, it has been tampered with by men that obviously lusted power and manipulate people with the document like its a weapon. We see this kind of crap everyday on every venue. Churches have become institutions for berating people, chasting children into the throws of evil, whom haven’t even learned how to wipe their own butts yet, and manipulate women as if every female on the planet are whores. The inevitable social sucking up when they’re called out on it is “we don’t do that.” I’ve gone to church and seen it with my own two eyes. It’s always the other churches doing it because their priest, decon; etc. sucks.

I am at a loss.

Jesus didn’t die for my sins, the stretch marks I have on my ass are because of everyone taking advantage of my kindness but, I am just being bitter about getting screwed when I should just forgive them so they can get back to screwing everyone else without me interrupting the process. So much for god and law — wait that sounds like the devil’s work doesn’t it. I think the church has been overrun; funny, that was also prophecied in the bible as well — wasn’t it?

Hmmm…

Take care and beware strangers with the BBD (bigger, better deal). I am not trusting my identity, life, or soul to any man that god killed — I’ll take my own chances. Feels as though my life expectancy just jumped ten years.

Take care, and keep it real man!

I have dutifully read each of these comments with as pure & as open a mind as I can. Ihave tried not to dismiss anything other then the blatant empty “you suck” type comments, which from either side lend no credence to any type of discussion & I have to to a couple conclusions.

First to define terms. The best definition of religion I have heard is that it is the “learning” aspect of what you believe in…whether this be theology or nuclear physics. It is the church/classroom; bible/text book; etc. aspect of our belief system. Spirituality on the other hand is the practical application of what we have “learned” into our daily lives. Essentially the walk to the talk.

When you are discussing religion in general & Christianity specifically, it doesn’t matter if you believe in creationism, the big bang, fairies, angels, the validity of the bible, the Easter bunny, Santa, or whatever. It doesn’t matter if you think the bible is a book of stories or that religious people are blind sheep, etc. At the core of ALL of that, it doesn’t really matter…as it is all semantics. It is not up to a believer (one either side) to make someone else believe, nor is it their right to judge, as the “humans” on either side of the table are both flawed, imperfect & do not have the qualifications to be the final judge.

When it comes down to it, there is ONLY ONE core thing that matters. What will you do with Jesus on the cross & who do you say HE is? Once you have heard the message of salvation through Jesus Christ alone, it it what you do with it that matters. That’s it! That is the core of Christianity. Say what you want to say…believe what you want to believe, but decide & accept the consequences of the choice made. Eternity will prove the victors in the end.

Just some thoughts.

Even the more well reasoned arguments often seem to be one-sided, not lending much credibility to the rationality of the counter arguments.

I only have to spend an hour looking for my keys, wake up from a dream I though was real, or be honest with a truly inquisitive person, to be reminded how little of which I can be certain.

My contribution to this ‘debate’ is to say that (on either ’side’) if you are so entirely certain as to mock redicule, and/or condemn, though you may think that you are fighting for the truth, I expect that you are probably fighting for something like respect, revenge, or relief from the pain of how you were at some time terribly treated.

For those jerks who are condemning, mocking, and/or rediculing everyone: It doesn’t make you more right, just more awful.
For those of you who are lashing out against the jerks of this world: In the long run, it tends to makes you one of them.

Primitive mankind existed. (for whatever reason!)

A higher-order being came along and out of curiosity, interacted with them.

Not understanding what a higher-order being was, the humans bowed before him in reverence, and offered prayers.

Amazed, he discovered that he gained huge amounts of psychic energy and power from their devotions.

Realizing this, he set-out to create a belief system which would result in his being worshipped as fervently as possible.

He figured that his efforts at instilling awe and devotion would be more successful if he could persuade humans that he was their creator. -Or even better, the creator of the whole damn universe, and then some!

As the people of that time would not understand astronomy, nuclear physics, etc. the explanation had to be given in very simplistic -and therefore highly inaccurate- terms.

Everything went fine until some humans got a bit too inquisitive for their own good, and started making instruments with which they could see what the universe really was like. When this happened, he got very worried that his cover-story would be blown. He realized that if the Creation part of his story was ‘rumbled’ then the rest would pretty-soon be discredited too. Including that bit about his son being tortured to death for humanity’s sins, which had sure perked-up humanity’s religiousness at a time when it was showing signs of petering-out.

Ah, he said to himself, in a moment of enlightenment, ‘I have the answer to that one. Evangelicalism. You watch. Even five hundred years from now- when the humans have technology and spaceflight- their children will STILL be taught by the book-thumpers that the earth is at most 6000 years old, and what’s more, a substantial proportion will actually believe it.’

‘Hahahahahahah. What fools. I’m luuuurving every minute of it! And the best part is, what am I giving them in return? Nothing. NOTHING! Hell, I’ve not even shown them how to ascend to a higher plane of existence yet. But then, why would I? That would only mean competition at my own level. Stuff that idea.’

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Just a hypothesis, but equally plausible I reckon.

The believers here should go back and read history, and recognize the unspeakable damage their superstition has wrought.

The Bible is a document full of horror and violence—a blood-soaked fantasy. Interpretation by whatever group of believers is apology and nothing else. It is below anyone to consider its content valid in any way.

The superstition of Christianity must be stamped out. It is a blight on our existence.

Perhaps this thread was meant to discuss Genesis and all its nonsense, but the real challenge is to eradicate Christianity from the face of the planet by any legal means at our disposal.

Genesis, the Bible, and Christianity is the evil we fight every day.