It seems like you’re almost on the right track, but you just can’t take the full plunge into healthy skepticism regarding this nonsense. For instance, take your statement:

why do their “inventors” join the ranks of rank capitalists in sharing their stuff? If there are energetic processes that kill off every virus, save us from chemtrails and the nwo, cure cancer and aids and speed up our spiritual evolution why is the cost so damn high?

Really? You don’t see why they are rank capitalists?! They’re trying to make a quick buck by selling nothing to morons who will buy into anything! Is that so difficult to admit? These technologies and these “energetic processes” do nothing.

I also know that emf is probably dangerous because my commonsense tells me so. We are electrical, we are water, water vibrates, we are living on a magnetic earth, etc. I don’t have to know all the science.

Does your “commonsense” also tell you that the earth is flat?
Your outright refusal to learn “all the science” is at the heart of the problem. It’s science that tells us that EMF is not dangerous! Science is a field where you have to leave your “intuition” at the doorstep. But I guess you’ve got it all figured out.

I was seeing a homeopath and an acupuncturist who cured me of mono in two weeks

Mononucleosis is a self-limiting disease, and two weeks is a perfectly normal time for symptoms to subside. The quack practitioners did nothing.

For instance, I use a qlink; migraines lessened and sleep is deeper over the course of a year. I’ve used homeopathy, an energetic medicine, for years and know it works.

I also know that emf is probably dangerous because my commonsense tells me so. We are electrical, we are water, water vibrates, we are living on a magnetic earth, etc. I don’t have to know all the science. Reich and Tesla were geniuses and they discovered very important energetic processes. I don’t have to have a background in physics to intuit that. Or to understand that they were persecuted for it and that someone tried to snuff out their contributions and history. (Why don’t schoolchildren know who Tesla is?)

What I feel offended about very often is that while many of these “new age technologies” are probably onto something because we are living in a mysterious universe and real scientists are properly humbled by that fact, why do their “inventors” join the ranks of rank capitalists in sharing their stuff? If there are energetic processes that kill off every virus, save us from chemtrails and the nwo, cure cancer and aids and speed up our spiritual evolution why is the cost so damn high?

(But the orgone “gifters” are nice, aren’t they, whether or not they are kooks. I don’t know if they are…

I can see why some new age artisans sell their lovely orgone devices and that some dowsers and other magical folks use their expertise to make a living, but good grief. Don’t talk about how tachyon can save the planet and cause humans to “ascend” blah blah blah (I like it here thanks, as Van Morrison said, “give me my rapture today”) while charging fantastical sums of money from desperate, unfortunate, gullible people.

But for all of you know it alls: I once had a boyfriend named Bill, my political science professor. I was seeing a homeopath and an acupuncturist who cured me of mono in two weeks and he chortled oh-so-knowingly while sneering. I said, “Bill, I feel so privileged to be with someone who knows everything…”

How about that MMS stuff? Good lord, people are drinking chlorine dioxide. And who is Jim Humble? Scary.

If you see the buddha selling enlightment on the internet, don’t buy from him.

ATT gives four empirical indications that the products are more than placebos.

Douglas,
The tests you speak of are not controlled, not published, not peer-reviewed, and not reproducible; they don’t contain a smidgen of science. Just think for a second: ATT is showing you tests of products that they are selling! Gee, I wonder how the tests will turn out! If you show me a test done by a respectable non-biased party, then you might be on to something. Until then, anyone can take photos of fruit and BS their way into getting you to buy their crap. I mean, come on!

Suppose I wanted to “prove” that ATT’s products are not effective. I would take a healthy grape and a shriveled grape, put them next to each other, and then put the ATT product underneath the shriveled grape. I would then take a photo, post it on my website, and proclaim that ATT’s products harm living things! Would you believe this kind of “evidence”? Can you tell me how this is any different from the “tests” done by ATT?

Having reviewed Mr. Wagner’s ECK-T video, I’d really like to read the patent application to which he referred. Unfortunately, I cannot seem to find it in the USPTO databases. Google isn’t much help in this regard either, and emails to ATTI go unanswered. Might you be able to provide us with the application number?

If you’d rather just make assumptions that’s fine by me, it’s not my blog

BTW, If you have an interest in Black Holes you would probably be quite interested in The Resonance Project lectures… which cost nothing on Google Videos btw. Not that I expect you’ll watch it, why would you when you’ve already read a few paragraphs and possibly watched a small trailer video that has told you everything that the 4-5 hour lecture contains. And because you haven’t been informed about it from a recognised scientific body there can’t be anything in it, can there? hmmmmm

Anyway that’s enough from me, no doubt you’ll have you’ll last say, please have fun doing so.

The best way to spot a fake is to learn as much as possible about the real thing. The more you know about real physics, the more you’ll start seeing through the nonsense spewed by these people. And the less you know, the more you’re likely to be led astray.

Sure, learning physics is hard work, but the end result is much more rewarding than the shallow, pseudo-intellectual quasi-understanding you’ll get from following the Tachyon path.

In your quest for personal fulfillment, I hope you’ll come across words like “peer-reviewed publication”, “randomized trial”, “double-blind study”, and “independent verification”, for these are all terms that are relevant here.

Peace out.

P.S. You do realise that a YouTube video doesn’t qualify as a scientific trial or a peer-reviewed publication? Also, if David Wagner releases a video where he tests his own theory (and he has a profit motive for his theory to be true; in other words, he wants you to buy his crap), what do you think the result of the test will be?!
I mean, come on. It’s like saying that the Bible is true because the Bible says so.

Here’s the issue. Don’t mistake a skeptical mind for a closed mind. My mind is very much open, as is the mind of every scientist who has rejected these kinds of nonsense “technologies”. Don’t you think that I examined the information given by the plethora of Tachyon websites out there, before shooting them down in flames? I’ve seen them all, and I’ve rejected them all, each with a greater degree of confidence than the last. Sometimes a quacky claim is so thoroughly bogus, it’s just laughable.

A skepticle mind that hasn’t actually performed any physical research their selves on any of the items that they are claiming do nothing. Now isn’t “assumption” the mother of all fuck ups? I’ve watched that video where he clearly states that the test has been published and he is welcoming scientists to come and break it down even further, I would have thought that would be a much more logical approach personally. I think I missed the part where you acknowledged that video??

I’ve seen the links that you provided. You may not be a scientist, but at least from your training as a software engineer, surely you have an appreciation for logic and rationality. Just think about this for a second: if the tachyon technology was “genuine”, it would invalidate most of our laws of physics, starting with thermodynamics, all the way up to general relativity. This is a very serious implication; one that must be backed up by equally serious evidence. Do you really believe that David Wagner (a businessman; someone who has never published in a peer-reviewed journal) has accomplished such a thing? On top of that, do you believe that a website written with the grammar of a 12-year-old can be taken seriously at all?

Yup indeed, as I said I am logical of mind and rationalise extremely well, in my personal opinion. I draw information from as many sources as I possibly can on all sides of the argument and the “student” in me also tries to understand anything that might be missing. Not so I can prove anyone wrong but merely so I can understand wtf is being discussed and because the teacher is *not* always right. I’m not so sure that our laws of physics and thermodynamics are perfect as yet, infact I think there is a hell of allot that we don’t yet know that could end up causing those rules to be modified slightly and even slight modifications would throw your views into disarray.

Harameins research is still in it’s early stages really, in scientific terms and if you watched any of his videos he actually explains why he hasn’t gone through other avenues of developing this research and that’s primarily down to “scientists” saying NO when they can’t give reason for saying this. Anyway, personally I think you have just shown what a few people on here were frustrated with you about and that’s that you’ve just taken something at face value without doing adequate research yourself. Have you watched the Resonance Project lectures? No, there we go then. Harameins research is actually an extension of the unified theory and adds some rather interesting and plausable data into the equation which doesn’t neglect anything as it happens, in fact it makes sense of allot of issues. The universe is expanding? Then where is the contracting part?, Haramein has ideas for this which are worth reading before you blatantly discount his research.

Scientists thrive on being wrong. They can’t wait for the next person to come along and point out a flaw in their theory, or to present a different theory entirely. But make no mistake: none of the people mentioned above have done anything of the sort. These people are motivated only by profit. What they’ve done is hijack scientific terminology to make the products they’re selling seem plausible to naive consumers. And that’s the really offensive part.

Then explain the tests that were performed on the product and “fake” products please.

So, if you want to lock your mind into what these charlatans are selling, that’s your choice. But instead of getting more books on tachyon energy, why not read a real physics textbook, and open your mind to the way the world actually works?

Because those books aren’t the be all and end all of “Science” and personal development. Why do you bother to read? I’m not locked into or being conned by anyone. I’m researching and developing my own knowledge in things I find interesting

P.S. If you’re going to perform a test with a “tachyonized” crystal, I would be quite interested in the results (I have an open mind, after all). But please make sure your test is properly controlled and blinded.

You mean the tests that were performed in the Labs already? Sure LOL, presuming I can get hold of the correct kit I’ll gladly do tests. But if you’re asking me to do some kind of low level test on the level of entropy of my own cells then of course not XD

Anyways peace out and all that

Remember, an open mind is much better than a closed one, at least you let some information in and digest it before shooting it down in flames

Nick, let me counter that with one of my favorite expressions: I have an open mind, but not to the point where my brain falls out.

Here’s the issue. Don’t mistake a skeptical mind for a closed mind. My mind is very much open, as is the mind of every scientist who has rejected these kinds of nonsense “technologies”. Don’t you think that I examined the information given by the plethora of Tachyon websites out there, before shooting them down in flames? I’ve seen them all, and I’ve rejected them all, each with a greater degree of confidence than the last. Sometimes a quacky claim is so thoroughly bogus, it’s just laughable.

I’ve seen the links that you provided. You may not be a scientist, but at least from your training as a software engineer, surely you have an appreciation for logic and rationality. Just think about this for a second: if the tachyon technology was “genuine”, it would invalidate most of our laws of physics, starting with thermodynamics, all the way up to general relativity. This is a very serious implication; one that must be backed up by equally serious evidence. Do you really believe that David Wagner (a businessman; someone who has never published in a peer-reviewed journal) has accomplished such a thing? On top of that, do you believe that a website written with the grammar of a 12-year-old can be taken seriously at all?

As for the “Resonance project,” it’s headed by a guy named Nassim Haramein. Although the website claims that he’s spent most of his life studying the “fundamental geometry of hyperspace” (whatever that means), no real physicist has ever heard of him, and neither has he published in proper journals. His entry in Wikipedia has been deleted due to lack of notability and the nonsense of his claims. And just think for a moment: Why did Haramein start a “nonprofit organization” to do his research? Why not work with a university? Any university would gladly jump on an opportunity to develop a breakthrough of the magnitude that he claims! Why not apply for a NSF grant, or a MacArthur grant? Why hasn’t Haramein (or Wagner for that matter) been awarded the Nobel prize?

Scientists thrive on being wrong. They can’t wait for the next person to come along and point out a flaw in their theory, or to present a different theory entirely. But make no mistake: none of the people mentioned above have done anything of the sort. These people are motivated only by profit. What they’ve done is hijack scientific terminology to make the products they’re selling seem plausible to naive consumers. And that’s the really offensive part.

So, if you want to lock your mind into what these charlatans are selling, that’s your choice. But instead of getting more books on tachyon energy, why not read a real physics textbook, and open your mind to the way the world actually works?

P.S. If you’re going to perform a test with a “tachyonized” crystal, I would be quite interested in the results (I have an open mind, after all). But please make sure your test is properly controlled and blinded.